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Post by Lisa on Jul 21, 2011 10:32:55 GMT -5
I got from my vet. Any vet clinic should have it. Give them a call. It's recommended to bath 3 times a week or less. We did every second day as our vet suggested.
Scarlet needs more testing done. When do you have the third shot scheduled?
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Post by Andreina on Jul 21, 2011 11:34:47 GMT -5
august 2nd, That's the day our regular vet gets back from vacation. Maybe I should try to move it up and see another one?? I would really prefer to see my vet though as she has raised Dobermans for so many years she's experienced with them. My friend is a vet tech, maybe I will just see if i can get the shampoo from her.. Or do you think I should get Scarlet in for further testing asap..
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Post by Lisa on Jul 21, 2011 13:29:34 GMT -5
If your friend can get Pyoben shampoo for you I would do it first. I never rush with antibiotic treatment if something else may help. Bath her 3 times a week and follow instructions written on the bottle.
At least it should stop spreading...
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Post by Dobereich on Jul 21, 2011 14:28:53 GMT -5
If I'm understanding right, all the red bumps on her belly were gone in 2 days. The belly would make me think ants, right away, ants. If she was laying under a shady tree that's all it takes. But fleas could be possible as well, just not as likely to go unseen on a red Dobie.
The few bumps on her back suggests either pyoderma or fly bites. Fly bites do not go away right away, neither does pyoderma. But if you have hair loss, this won't come back for several weeks. Reds show hair thinning right away. So be prepared to see those bald spots for another month at least.
Don't think that its the food. Autumn is on the Canidae as well, no dry skin and no issues. Reds do well on the Go'Natural, but if we're just trying to figure out what's going on right now, I doubt that its the food.
Clean her face and back with the cleansers that Lisa mentioned, and spray Scarlet down with some coat and skin conditioner. Watch her exposure to the sun, this could be part of the reason for her dry skin.
Staph infections usually come up from a source of bacteria, then they spread. In most cases its either chin acne, which most Dobes will get due to the short hairs on their chin (the hairs get pushed into the follicle, so meds isn't enough, they need to be popped). Or bacteria around the genitals (either from the dogs failure to clean themselves or by squatting in grass). The other source of increased bacteria is laying on the plastic crate floor (usually seen more on the legs). Bleach your crate once a week, and/or after any meat bones or bathroom accidents. Give a bed, keep them off the crate floor if possible.
Rub the coat with a small hand towel, or get a hounds glove. This will stimulate the oils to the surface of the skin and the coat will look shinny and healthy.
Teething time is always a time when things happen as well, and its that time for the O-babies. Be sure to never vaccinate your puppy if you think that they are sick, or if their immune system is dealing with something else. As well, do not give too many vaccines at a time.
I certainly would not think about doing a scraping on these, especially on her back. This is not a typical area for mites. If this continues I would think more GI and dietary issues that are causing a response seen through the skin.
To me this sounds like a viral issue, as well as a bacterial contact. Often times these bumps come up from the saliva of other dogs and bites... which commonly do eventually turn into staph infections. The conjunctivitis is viral. So wherever Scarlet was in the past couple weeks is where she was exposed. Wet grass, swimming areas, and dog parks. If your dogs attend these places you are likely going to see a few contagions at some point. Warts, conjunctivitis, etc.
Monica
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Post by Andreina on Jul 21, 2011 15:58:53 GMT -5
Thanks for the advice Monica, I guess we won't know what it is until it pans out. I will be cleaning everything tonight, working on her coat and watching where she goes for the next while. Our vet has offered us a free check-up and free scraping this Saturday. I may as well take her up on that offer, it can't hurt to do it right? I will stick with the Canidae also if you recommend. I value your opinion just as much if not more than the vets! You are the momma #2 after all!
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Post by Lisa on Jul 21, 2011 23:10:10 GMT -5
I forgot to mention ACV. It works wonder for my dogs coat. I use water and ACV in ratio 3 to 1. It helps to fight bad bacteria and makes coat clean and shiny.
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Post by hooligan on Jul 22, 2011 10:32:11 GMT -5
It looks like staph infection to me. I would ask a vet to test for mites to be sure. Scarlet may need antibiotics if staph infection is confirmed. Otherwise she will lose more hair. Asha had red bumps on her chest/belly area. She got small bold spots on her chest too. Hair has grown back fast after the treatment. Pyoben shampoo is good for pyoderma, staph and mange. You may use Silver gel to rub into skin to stop spreading... but antiobiotics work much faster. Don't use steroids. They may damage Scarlet immunity. ...and don't worry. Believe me I saw it many times on Doberman puppies. I strongly second Lisa's advice. The pix look exactly like Jack's puppy bumps. His chest and belly were covered, but he also had a few bumps on his back and a little cluster on his elbows. You might ask your vet to do a scraping to confirm, and you may well need a fairly long course of antibiotics in addition to the shampoo. Pyoderma-staph infections can be very persistent if they aren't treated. As a precaution, I would also switch to a limited-ingredient food in case it is a food allergy. As far as I know, Pyoben is available only from vets, not at pet stores. I agree with your strong suspicion that it isn't fleas, which is what your vet treated for. Do you have complete confidence in your vet? If not, I would take Scarlet to someone else.
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Post by Andreina on Jul 22, 2011 11:19:04 GMT -5
It looks like staph infection to me. I would ask a vet to test for mites to be sure. Scarlet may need antibiotics if staph infection is confirmed. Otherwise she will lose more hair. Asha had red bumps on her chest/belly area. She got small bold spots on her chest too. Hair has grown back fast after the treatment. Pyoben shampoo is good for pyoderma, staph and mange. You may use Silver gel to rub into skin to stop spreading... but antiobiotics work much faster. Don't use steroids. They may damage Scarlet immunity. ...and don't worry. Believe me I saw it many times on Doberman puppies. I strongly second Lisa's advice. The pix look exactly like Jack's puppy bumps. His chest and belly were covered, but he also had a few bumps on his back and a little cluster on his elbows. You might ask your vet to do a scraping to confirm, and you may well need a fairly long course of antibiotics in addition to the shampoo. Pyoderma-staph infections can be very persistent if they aren't treated. As a precaution, I would also switch to a limited-ingredient food in case it is a food allergy. As far as I know, Pyoben is available only from vets, not at pet stores. I agree with your strong suspicion that it isn't fleas, which is what your vet treated for. Do you have complete confidence in your vet? If not, I would take Scarlet to someone else. Thanks for the input Dyanne, Yes I have 100% confidence in my vet. she is not new to us, our family and my other animals have gone to her for a while and she has a history with Dobermans personally. She called me last night and is going to take us in tomorrow for a no charge scraping and appointment so she can also check out Scarlet. When I spoke to her last night I found out that my boyfriend only expressed she was itchy which is why she thought it was fleas. He did not emphasize enough that she had spots, and dry skin... This is why I prefer to be always the one booking appointments, and taking care of things men sometimes.... lol. I am just grateful that she is not charging us for this visit, because I think she could have done this last time if I had to have gone
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Post by hooligan on Jul 22, 2011 11:37:31 GMT -5
Thanks for the input Dyanne, Yes I have 100% confidence in my vet. she is not new to us, our family and my other animals have gone to her for a while and she has a history with Dobermans personally. She called me last night and is going to take us in tomorrow for a no charge scraping and appointment so she can also check out Scarlet. When I spoke to her last night I found out that my boyfriend only expressed she was itchy which is why she thought it was fleas. He did not emphasize enough that she had spots, and dry skin... This is why I prefer to be always the one booking appointments, and taking care of things men sometimes.... lol. I am just grateful that she is not charging us for this visit, because I think she could have done this last time if I had to have gone Oh, good news about your vet! Good luck and keep us posted.
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Post by toyzshopgary on Jul 22, 2011 23:49:06 GMT -5
Sorry for the crappy quality, but here are 2 shots of her back if this helps explain. she got a few more bumps just above her nub since last night too. Doesn't hurt her or anything though when i inspect them. Yup I concur that's what the staph looked like on Zeus back and his chest where his collar buckle would sit. The chin shots I sent you are what it looks like when it's really taken over and bad. That's probably the souce that Zeus had that started it to spread combined with vaccination shots and his immune system still developing and weakened working on the antibodies for the shots. My vet is really pretty good too and we have gone to him with the last 3 dobermans all their life but they screwed up with Zeus III. They should have given me longer doses of antibiotics right from the start and they shouldn't have done the shots when he was fighting the staph. I had the skin scrapings and I did a thyroid panel too and reality is both were just a waste of money and not really needed. Monica pointed that out to me and when I questioned the vet afterwards I could see they were dancing on the razorblade but admitted things could have been done different. Let us know what your vet finds out and has to say after the new visit.
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Post by Lisa on Jul 23, 2011 19:26:46 GMT -5
Mites scrape test is cheap... around $20. I would not recommend to do thyroid test for such young puppy. Agree that's waste of money.
Monica does thyroid tests for her breeding dogs. It's unlikely offsprings will have thyroid hormonal imbalance.
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Post by Andreina on Jul 24, 2011 10:00:36 GMT -5
Hey guys,
My wonderful vet did a free visit and scraping for us, good news is there is no mites! It's pyoderma, and Scarlet is on anti-biotics for 2 weeks. Once the vet checks in with me to see how she's doing on it, she will probably extended the treatment an additional 2 weeks as well.
We were in there for a good hour talking to her about it, and agreed we should also save the food change if this doesn't work but right now there is no need to disrupt her food. I'm just glad we were able to prevent it from getting really bad and that she hasn't shown signs of getting any worse.
Thanks for all your help!! ;D
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Post by toyzshopgary on Jul 24, 2011 10:51:25 GMT -5
Just keep in mind that she could end up with multiple flare ups. You can read my situation with Zeus and his multiple rounds. My vet did the 2 week route 1st time and admitted after they should have went longer dose and gave me longer and didn't charge for the visit so the good news is your vet looks to be doing a longer dose right from the start.
When I saw those back pictures of Scarlet I knew that's what was up, all too familar look. I would watch if she has shots and mark the calendar for 6-8 weks later and see if she has skin flair ups. Ask the vet about that if in again for shots, or more meds for the skin issues.
Find an area that will pop out an ingrown hair or you squeeze and it will oze some stuff or even a little blood and smell it on your finger. Then you will know what staph smells like. It has a distinct smell.
FYI Zeus had it really bad and continuing bouts until about 1.5 years old. After that things cleared and he's been really good ever since, he will be 3 in November. He will still get the odd ingrown hair on his chin or lips but his coat overall looks amazing.
So the good news for me who worried forever and you who has started the journey is that even a dog with it bad can outgrow it and turn out great.
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Post by hooligan on Jul 24, 2011 11:25:56 GMT -5
Definitely keep Gary's warning in mind . . . but on the bright side, be aware that Jack's spots cleared up with the two-week course of antibiotic treatment. That may, however, have been because we were actually standing in the vet's office when we noticed the first little cluster of spots and by the end of that day, he had been started on Cephalexin.
It did take a while for the hair to grow back in. So your beautiful Scarlet may look a little patchy for longer than you'd like.
Great to hear that things have worked out!
Dyanne
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Post by Lisa on Jul 24, 2011 15:07:32 GMT -5
Asha's bumps went away after 9 days of antibiotics but we took 14 days course to be sure. She started her antibiotic treatment after the third vaccination. YOu are doing it before... I keep my fingers crossed the vaccination won't have impact on the treatment.
Did not she prescribe pyoben shampoo? I believe it helped Asha to get rid of infection in such short term. We didn't have multiple flare ups... and I hope we won't. Her coat looks healthy and now.
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