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Post by Lisa on May 17, 2011 9:16:27 GMT -5
It's always a struggle to dremel Gino nails. He hates it. My hubby helps me to keep him calm. We work through the process slowly with treats and breaks. When we were doing Gino nails Asha barked at us to protect her brother I guess we made a huge mistake to let her watch it. Asha is getting hysterical and stubborn when I approach with a dremel. I use treats and kisses... no help. Clippers is the only option for now... but I need to switch to a dremel. I am reading now: homepages.udayton.edu/~jmerenski1/doberdawn/dremel/dremel.htmlHow do you dremel your dog nails If you share your experience with Dobereich dogs I will appreciate it.
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gismolady
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Post by gismolady on May 17, 2011 20:31:03 GMT -5
I do whatever it takes to get the job done. My dog is extreamly food oriented other dogs are play oriented. With Bear everytime I stop for whatever reason I give a treat and praise him enthusiastically. Now with a play oriented dog when I stop for what ever reason I would play a one throw game of fetch along with praise and a treats. This will take alot longer but the whole object is to create a positive experiance no matter what the end objective is. It's not how long it takes to complete the job it's the steps you take to get there. If it is hard for him to sit and do all his nails in one day try doing one toe or one paw a day and then lots of treats and play.
"Take the time it takes and it takes less time."- Pat Parelli
I know it sounds like alot of work but you are trying to set him up for continued future sucsess. If you approche this issue like that then I would let Asha watch she will soon understand that you are only trying to help him with his anxiety. Include her in everything to do with nail trimming. Give her just as much attention as you are giving Gino. Give her treats and play along with Gino and soon she will want to be apart of it.
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Post by Lisa on May 17, 2011 20:53:17 GMT -5
It doesn't help. She is too smart to be cheated. Asha plays hard but when I take a dremel... she just vanishes! She is so fast and reactive I can not catch her. Wait you will get one of Dobereich Dobermans soon I want her to get used to dremel first. When she gets a treat I turn on dremel to create a link between good food and dremel noise. I don't know if it helps... but I need to move forward.
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Post by gismolady on May 18, 2011 0:23:46 GMT -5
Hang in there. I'm sure you will find something that works for you and them just don't give up and don't let them win. It's a game to them, just try to keep the ball in your court. Try recording the sound and play it during play time, dinner time, nap time. Let them hear it during any activity they enjoy so the sound becomes assosiated with something good. It sounds like it will take alot of time. Just don't get discuraged and don't force it. Just pertend you have all the time in the world. When I get in a hurry it always makes me think more clearly when I tell myself that.
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Post by toyzshopgary on May 18, 2011 10:11:57 GMT -5
Well it's a long process. Zeus I was using a clipper right early as a pup but it's hard with the clipper and I was finding I was too many times clipping too close and he would yelp or just do anything to avoid it. The clipper seems to squeeze the nail and he hated that clipper more than anything.
My wife bought a cheap battery powered dremel called pedi paws and I let him see it, play with it, turn it on around him and over time worked up to just touching his nails to it for a sec and then working across the nails of a paw for a sec and then finally all the paws. Then over time I started to actually really work on the nails.
It took a long time ( from memory at least a month, maybe more) to get Zeus to accept the dremel and I would clip a lead on him and then make him lay and over time he finally allowed me to work on the nails. You need to do a paw at a time and not grind too long on each nail, going back and forth across the toes of a paw. Over time he was great and I never had a problem. I do his nails at least once and usually twice a week. The more often the easier it is too keep them right and less time to spend doing it.
I did have a problem about 3 months ago he decided no more nails and actually put up a good front, growling as I went to do them. I left him but later in the day I put on a muzzle and clipped on the lead and gave him the down and did all his nails and he's been fine ever since a couple times a week but I do use the muzzle since and the lead clipped on and he knows "ok I guess it's nail time" and he just lays and lets me do it. The muzzle and lead makes him totally submissive.
I also find the best time is after he's had his long walk or a free run and a meal. Then he's calm and content and just lays and submits.
I did buy a good small dremel actual dremel, you can get them at CTC they have a smaller one and a bigger one. I got the smaller one at Petsmart there was a sale and it was like 1/2 price so I grabbed it. It's just the exact same as the small dremel at CTC except mine has a little doggie paw logo on it. I like the coarse cartridge rolls about 1/2" diameter. It seems to cut good, easy to control and leaves the nails ok. I only use the slow speed not the high speed.
I know Monica likes the stones because they last forever. I bought a few stones but they are much finer and I just don't like the way they cut and seem harder to do the process and control.
It took a long time.....guessing but at least a month maybe more before Zeus would even let me near his paws with the dremel. The Pedipaws one is a joke don't buy one. I can do all 4 paws and a good job in less time then you can do one with the pedipaws and the grinding wheels barely last through doing all 4 paws once with the pedipaws.
I'll take a picture of mine and post it up later so you can see the dremel and the cartrideg rolls and I'll check the Grit#.
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Post by Lisa on May 18, 2011 12:23:36 GMT -5
Gary your advice is very helpful. I was grinding too long on each Gino nail and will try to go across toes next time.
We bought dremel and cartrideg rolls a while ago. My boy has became impatient recently after we changed the roll. I guess it's more painful now... and I need to change the process.
I will let Asha to play with dremel touching her nails, etc. Thank you!
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Post by toyzshopgary on May 18, 2011 12:46:54 GMT -5
Lisa, I read that link and it sounds pretty well the same as what i'm doing. That's interesting what they say about the stones vs the cartridge rolls and the stone make more heat and they discourage using them. I didn't like them at all myself as I found them too fine and taking too long on the nail to cut and stopped after my 1st time. I am using a coarser roll though 60 grit. I only go a few seconds each nail. My guess is 2-3 seconds, I Idon't think it would be much more. I just keep going back and forth across the paw. If the roll is worn it doesn't cut as good and you spend longer on the nail and it creates heat. The rolls are cheap I always have a few packs of them around. I would say once the nails are under control and you are just maintaining them once/twice a week a roll will be good for multiple times. I probably do 3-4 times all his nails before I change the roll, maybe even more. If I feel they aren't cutting the same I change them even if they look ok. After a while you will get a feel when the roll isn't cutting the same. Attached is my Dremel Model 7300PT 408 Cartridge rolls 60 Grit I buy the rolls at Canadian Tire or Home Depot and they have the same unit but not as specific for pets but it looks the same as you can see mine is a pet version with the paw logo. I got it at Petsmart it was on sale half price. I knew it was a steal and grabbed it. They also have a bigger heavier duty dremel version at CTC etc and I know Monica uses that one. What I like about my smaller one is that with Zeus just laying on the floor, the size allows me to easily do his nails as he's laying on the floor and not require me to really have his feet up. The unit is nice and small and fits in my hand. It just seems to make it more enjoyable for him too. Like I said I just use the slow speed and it works great and the battery will probably last for many manicures without a charge but I usually give it a quick charge after each use. It's better to go multiple times a week etc and 1st do small amounts and work the nails back a little at a time. Once you have them good then it's easy for a weekly or bi-weekly quick touch up to maintain them. It makes the process quick and the dog gets used to it and it's not a long drawn out ordeal. Zeus is the same he lays on the floor like in that link for the most part. the start he may be a little antsy but he quickly realizes it's getting done so he lays and lets it happen. I think it's so much better than the clippers. I never liked the clipper and neither did Zeus. That was a real ordeal and I'm so happy to have switched off completely to the dremel. Attachments:
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Post by Andreina on May 18, 2011 13:34:09 GMT -5
Very helpful info guys. Thanks for posting that picture Gary, we will have to go look for it. I just looked online and they have it at home depot for 25$.
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Post by toyzshopgary on May 18, 2011 14:39:10 GMT -5
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Post by Dobereich on May 18, 2011 14:44:50 GMT -5
Hey Gary, you must just have gotten so used to using the sandpaper bits. Because the stone is way more efficient, leaves a smoother finish, and gives you more control because its not as rough. I wonder if you got a stone that is too fine and this is why you're not seeing as much benefit. Too fine is not good either.
I've used both, and although cost is something to consider, its not the reason why I suggest the stone over the paper disks. The stone is kinder to the dog's nails, it doesn't vibrate as much on the nail, and it doesn't heat up as much. Therefore its more comfortable for the dog. The roughness of the paper disks are more likely to catch on a frayed nail, and they can actually penetrate the quick if its comes in contact with it. The stone doesn't usually cut into the quick. When I grind the nails you can literally see the quick bulging in the middle, unharmed. The quick then dries up and hardens at the tip, and the next time you grind the nails (5-8 days later) you can take them down shorter because the quick has receded.
If you grind the nails every 5 days you don't need to cut the nail first. However if you wait a week or more, you should cut the tips off so that you don't have to hold the grinder against the nail too long.
Lisa,
Puppies usually don't like their nails being ground. Its a very weird sensation, its loud, not to mention the smell of their nails being ground away. I think that a grooming table is the best route to go, using a grooming arm/noose. You might even have a table at home that you can covert. The grooming arm can clamp onto any flat surface. Many moons ago I used to use an old coffee table and clamped the grooming arm onto that.
When I groom a pup on the table for the first time, all I do is brush out the coat, maybe clean the ears, cut the nails. Give them treats, teach them to stand stay on the table. Then I work a bit more into the routine; I clean the ears first, cut the nails, grind a bit, go to the coat, grind a bit more, etc.
Always cut the tips of the nail off first so that you don't have to grind as much. Then grind each nail just for a second each. Give a treat or praise, then do it again. But don't make a huge deal once the pup is off the table. Just carry-on as usual. She gets the fuss when she is on the table, its a good place of treats and attention.
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Post by Dobereich on May 18, 2011 14:54:09 GMT -5
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Post by toyzshopgary on May 18, 2011 15:35:18 GMT -5
Yes that's a much coarser stone than what I have. That's more what I was looking for do you know the grit#? I'll track that down and try and find one. I usually do Zeus's nails twice a week so they don't get out of control.
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Post by Dobereich on May 19, 2011 19:45:52 GMT -5
Gary, its model #932. Now don't go looking for a bit and come back with a bigger Dremel.
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Post by Lisa on May 21, 2011 13:08:40 GMT -5
We are going to dremel Gino nails tomorrow. I will use a new strategy based on what you told me. Updates will follow.. Thank you.
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Post by Lisa on May 29, 2011 22:32:13 GMT -5
UPDATES: When I working on the paw I went across all toes several times. It works much better! Gino was more patient and we didn't have a panic attack.
Thank you for your help!
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