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Post by Dobereich on Aug 22, 2011 13:24:05 GMT -5
I will be starting fall sessions either this Sunday or next. classes run on Sunday; puppy (3 months to 5 months), novice I (4 month to adult), novice II (must complete novice I or pass test first to start level II), and advanced I & II (must complete novice II).
Puppy covers basics in puppy care, not just obedience. Socializing, how to retrieve and out objects, down, sit, basic heel, recall, as well as other puppy related lessons.
Novice I is a 10 week certificate level course that teaches you leadership. Some of the areas covered in this course are; loose leash heel, on and off leash recall, sit stay, down stay, sit in motion, hand signals, and introduction to off leash heeling.
Novice II stretches both your`s and your dog`s ability. In addition to a higher level of obedience, your dog will learn off leash heel and recall.
Advance is for the owner who wishes to complete in CD, or simply to have an extremely well trained dog. The work done is this class challenges the handler and dog to work as a team to correct unwanted behaviour, or errors in handling. Work is done to obtain maximum control over your dog in all situations. All handling is done to meet CD requirements and the advanced class is divided into two categories, with Advanced level I & II.
Even if you have trained elsewhere, I guarantee you that you will learn new techniques in my classes. These courses are open to all breeds and divided into working and toy groups. Most classes take place indoors and are kept to approx 6 dogs so that each dog receives individual attention. You are welcome to cross-post to friends that you believe could benefit from training with us, regardless of breed.
Email me to get more information, monica@dobereich.com
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Post by toyzshopgary on Aug 22, 2011 15:15:37 GMT -5
I'm in with Zeus. He did basic puppy locally when he was a puppy. Has his CKC CGN from last year did the test in August. I think start with basics, Novice 1 would be next and go from there. My goal at this point is to shoot for a CD down the road in the future. See what happens but that's my goal.
Put me on the list and let me know from there.
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Post by dobermoms on Aug 22, 2011 20:18:51 GMT -5
Well fantastic Monica.....we are so proud of our Dante and his success in your obedience class. He makes us proud when we walk him with confidence which we attained in your classes. People literally stop us and comment on how well-mannered he is, how he is so well-behaved. They are truly impressed by his intelligence and movements when we are "showing him off" for others. How can we help it, after all. Many people use us as the example of where they want to be with their dog.
So, it is only natural that we want to start Kazi in your classes. We are ready, and so is she. As well, we are looking forward to completing Dante's level and moving on to more challenges.
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Post by ladydon on Aug 24, 2011 14:18:59 GMT -5
We would love to participate its just my schedule is so jam packed that it's hard to commit especially on the weekends. I was just talking to Andreina about the training and we don't mind car pooling...maybe one day we'll be able to come.
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Post by Andrea on Aug 31, 2011 3:56:12 GMT -5
Awesome, can't wait! Apollo is in for a treat ;D
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Post by dobereyna on Aug 31, 2011 23:22:03 GMT -5
Reyna and I want to come!! Sept 11 & 25 I am already booked for (work) events... but I am hoping we can look at the schedule and make it work. Reyna would be Novice 1... hopefully her and Zeus can concentrate around each other LOL!
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Post by Dobereich on Sept 1, 2011 22:59:11 GMT -5
i don`t think this week-end will work as a start date with the kids going back to school.
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Post by dobermarch on Sept 10, 2011 21:08:55 GMT -5
Monica Are you still doing this training? We have hit some "Dobe Teenage years" i think.... We have been doing non-treat based training and it is freaking difficult. We had initially done treat based positive training, no corrections, just ignoring and this is not practical. I cannot have Nova jump on the toddler and tell him to ignore it. SO we ventured off to find other training. Although she responded well to treats we always had to have them to her for her to listen (smart cookie - no pun intended) and really who carries treats on them all the time? Our last resort has been a training that requires the dog to earn your respect and to establish pack leadership (and I think I am the ALPHA!!!!) Now Nova is totally giving me the brush off (LOL) and will not look at me or sit in front of me. She kind of sits sideways with her ear perked towards me but will not look at me. She is also started some excessive barking when we are outside and we are having a difficult time correcting. Lets be honest she knows she is not supposed to bark at the poor old lady taking a stroll...I call her when she does and she puts her ears back and looks at me from the corner of her eyes - coy girl. Anyway many trainers are telling us she is a Dobe with ADHD and it will take at lest three years to get her to be "normal" at which point everything we have done is supposed to automatically snap into place. So while we are waiting for this "magic" day we would really like to talk and have Nova around someone who actually knows Dobermans. It would appear that many trainers do not know very much about this breed and what they do know is based on perceptions, albiet, negative of the breed. Anyone have similar training experiences?? What have people used in the past that has worked for their baby? Nova is a wonderful girl, and very silly but we still need to establish some basics and WE are having difficulties. It is clear to us that our smart little girl knows how to play us:)
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Post by dobereyna on Sept 11, 2011 20:10:06 GMT -5
LOL ooohhh boy! i was calling reyna my little raptor when she was smaller... 'clever girl...' (you know, like the raptors in jurassic park? LOL!) monica should chime in here, but give her a day or so... she's got puggies on the way.
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Post by Andreina on Sept 12, 2011 8:12:47 GMT -5
If you did training on a Saturday we could make it. Sunday's we are both working though!
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Post by Lisa on Sept 12, 2011 12:10:03 GMT -5
Monica Are you still doing this training? We have hit some "Dobe Teenage years" i think.... We have been doing non-treat based training and it is freaking difficult. We had initially done treat based positive training, no corrections, just ignoring and this is not practical. I cannot have Nova jump on the toddler and tell him to ignore it. SO we ventured off to find other training. Although she responded well to treats we always had to have them to her for her to listen (smart cookie - no pun intended) and really who carries treats on them all the time? Our last resort has been a training that requires the dog to earn your respect and to establish pack leadership (and I think I am the ALPHA!!!!) Now Nova is totally giving me the brush off (LOL) and will not look at me or sit in front of me. She kind of sits sideways with her ear perked towards me but will not look at me. She is also started some excessive barking when we are outside and we are having a difficult time correcting. Lets be honest she knows she is not supposed to bark at the poor old lady taking a stroll...I call her when she does and she puts her ears back and looks at me from the corner of her eyes - coy girl. Anyway many trainers are telling us she is a Dobe with ADHD and it will take at lest three years to get her to be "normal" at which point everything we have done is supposed to automatically snap into place. So while we are waiting for this "magic" day we would really like to talk and have Nova around someone who actually knows Dobermans. It would appear that many trainers do not know very much about this breed and what they do know is based on perceptions, albiet, negative of the breed. Anyone have similar training experiences?? What have people used in the past that has worked for their baby? Nova is a wonderful girl, and very silly but we still need to establish some basics and WE are having difficulties. It is clear to us that our smart little girl knows how to play us:) I had issues with Asha too. You will find my post here: dobereich.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=training&action=display&thread=157They have strong personalities. That's not ADHD! That's a lack of our leadership. Positive training is good but it's not enough for our babies. You may try: - leave the house first, she follows you - while watching TV make her settle down next to you for 30 min (no games) and correct her when she doesn't want to stay - use a prong collar to heel, she should not pull you at all - if you stop the game she must settle She doesn't want to obey/respect you if she doesnt' look at you. You have to break it. Prong collar helped me a lot. You may try it. Do you know how to use prong collar? I think the exercise with Asha and Gino helped the most. She was crazy about chasing a stick in the water and always took it first. Gino stopped chasing it. She pushed him underwater to win. Poor boy... I decided to break it. She was leashed watching Gino's chasing game. OMG... she was wild.. ready for a suicide (another kamikaze ) I didn't pay attention and kept her on the leash. Slowly she calmed down. Then I put her in sit position and kept her untill she lost completely her wildness. She did! After the exercise she became a different dog. I guess she realized who was a boss. Barb/Karrie how are you doing with Kazi training? Any ideas?
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Post by dobermoms on Sept 12, 2011 20:40:03 GMT -5
Sorry, but I did smile when I read that the trainer called your dog, and basically all dobermans, ADHD.....too funny. I believe that this trainer is not experienced with dobermans, and I would RUN with my dog and get the heck out of there!
I am not the trainer that Kerrie is.....but I can tell you what helps her with the dogs. I agree that you should have your dog leashed--attached to you as soon as you come home from work. As soon as you are settled in, grab the 6 ft. leash, wrap it around your waist, and lead your puppy around with you. When you go to the bathroom, so do they. This is also a good time to practice your sit-stays. If you are watching tv, have them sit at your feet. Basically, they are not allowed to just wander away from you....you now are the alpha. It won`t take them long to figure out that you make all the decisions in the house, not them.
But definately start with the novice 1 training with Monica. She understands dobermans, and is a no-nonsense trainer. We are waiting for her to start so Kazi can start with her....
Dobermans are a very smart dog....and we wouldnt`want it any other way...heeheehee...well maybe.....lol....as for the barking, we tell her the command --no bark--, to which she usually stops, then we watch her and wait....when she barks again we shake a can filled with coins...startles her into peace and quiet. Now, after this we use the verbal command again...and slowly she is learning. And don`t forget the praise when she does something correct. Be as consistent with her praise as you are her criticisms. i.e. when she stops barking it`s --good girl--.
Don`t get frustrated--or at least don;t let her know your frustration--because she will pick up on it and then she will become the alpha.
Monica wrote in on choosing the correct collar for your dog, so please read up on that too.
Keep on crate training her also, even when you are at home...especially when you are at home. Don`;t use it as a punishment, but put her in it for 30 minutes, then take her out--play with her, go for a walk, etc. I remember Monica saying something like our dogs should be in their crates for up to 2 hours when we are at home with them. It`s good for them to know that they still have their own space even with us in the house.
Hope this helps a little.....
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Post by Dobereich on Sept 15, 2011 21:40:19 GMT -5
Firstly, I would say that any trainer who would refer to a breed as having ADHD (in the context you`ve described) is simply just not using a technique that challenges the dog. A trainer should be prepared to use several different techniques for different dogs and shouldn`t expect their methodology to work for everyone.
Additionally, any trainer who would dare to suggest that it would take 3 years to train such a smart breed as a Dobermann is definitely under-qualified to be doing the job that you need them to do for you. In 3 years your Dobie could learn how to walk a tight rope...lol. Geesh, sight dogs learn all that they do in less time then that. So yes, I would say that these trainers are severely mistaken about the ability behind this breed.
A lot of new graduated trainers have no real ability or skill to deal with issues that fall outside of the box. dogs either respond to the training methods they use/know, or, the dog is ADHD and unable to learn, etc. When a trainer says that they cannot train a dog, its their problem, not the dog`s. Unless there is a true problem with the dog, but that`s far less common and more likely that your trainer simply reached their limit of experience and skill. These trainers are in over their head, and instead of admitting it and referring you to someone else, they paint your dog out to be a monster.
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Post by hooligan on Sept 16, 2011 9:03:43 GMT -5
Dobermarch, I second the advice you've been given so far. Jack is very drivey and tended to flip into drive in a nanosecond, so training was -- and is -- a challenge. And because he does schutzhund, this added a level of complication to his in-home training. Driviness is required for schtuzhund, so we had to find a balance between training him to be a dog we could live with while not suppressing his drives. I'm thinking the trainer who described Nova as ADHD just didn't recognize her driviness.
Like Dante and Kazi, Jack spent some time leashed constantly. We didn't attach the lead to our waists, but he did spend several days dragging it around constantly. When he became obstreperous, we could grab the lead and settle him (a tip: the lead can become caught up on things, so be watchful about this). He's now 2-1/2, and we still use the lead this way if he seems to need a refresher.
The strategy that has really paid off is having a release word (we use "okay"), so that when he's in a down or a sit, he doesn't get to decide when he's had enough. He must wait until one of us releases him. This is also good training for us, because it ensures that we are disciplined and consistent about making sure that we correct him if he breaks -- and that we remember to release him.
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Post by Dobereich on Sept 16, 2011 23:40:13 GMT -5
The strategy that has really paid off is having a release word (we use "okay"), so that when he's in a down or a sit, he doesn't get to decide when he's had enough. He must wait until one of us releases him. This is also good training for us, because it ensures that we are disciplined and consistent about making sure that we correct him if he breaks -- and that we remember to release him. To further that, its always a good idea to physically release your dog from a down stay, especially in the beginning when you dog is learning the basics. When I place a dog on a down stay, they shouldn't move for any reason at all. The world could be crumbling around them, but unless I release them, they are to stay where I left them. To physically release your dog you return to them, to heel position, before you give them the "OK". for what its worth I also use the "OK" as the release word. But I have the dog sit at heel first before I give the OK. Dobes are smart, and this means that they will evolve and test the boundaries of what you expect from them. Its not always insubordination, rather a cunning attempt to take the fastest route back to you, or whatever it is they are waiting for. This is why its important to properly determine the beginning and end of an exercise. This is done by leaving a silent count of 5-10 seconds in your head before concluding the end of an exercise and starting another. Because you can bet a Dobe will go from A to D if steps B and C can be skipped. Skipping steps makes for traveling on the downs and sloppy finishes. Gawd I love this breed. I love the fact that they have enough brains to attempt the short-cuts. To own a Dobermann requires a great sense of humour. Because this breed is very clever and comical in their antics. A lot of times people will say to me that they want a smart dog that is easy to train. But training a smart dog/breed isn't always easier. In fact its often times harder as the dog will challenge any weaknesses from their handler.
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